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I am not sure of this is old news, but it is the first time I have seen it, thought it was worth sharing.
The new service starts June 14th.
Here is a sample booking I looked at for my return from YYZ:
HQ213
699.00 CAD Web Fare (One-Way, Business - Rules)
Departs: Toronto, YYZ Jun 15, 2005 08:25
Arrives: Vancouver, YVR Jun 15, 2005 10:25
Here are the rules, or lack thereof:
FARE RULES
FARE TYPE
Business Class Fare
CHANGES Change to travel dates (subject to availability) is permitted upto 2 hours prior to flight departure for no change fee plus any fare difference. No refunds will be given on voluntary downgrades.
Flight itinerary may be rebooked upto one year from original ticket issue date, provided the change is made 2 hours prior to original flight departure.
CHANGE FEES Domestic Canada No Charge
Continental USA(except Hawaii) No Charge
Hawaii No Charge
REFUNDS Business Class tickets are fully refundable; non-endorsable and non-transferable.
SURCHARGES Domestic Canada Insurance Surcharge
Fuel Surcharge
Navigation Surcharge Not Applicable
Not Applicable
Not Applicable
Continental USA(except Hawaii) Fuel Surcharge
Navigation Surcharge Not Applicable
Not Applicable
Hawaii Fuel Surcharge
Navigation Surcharge Not Applicable
Not Applicable
No connections through YUL.
Why as a student would you spend all the extra money for a J ticket, when you can by a cheap Y on any airline for a whole lot less.
well I won't be flying HMY any time soon
Then no more needs for FT?? :eek: :confused:
Their will always be a need for FT ;)
would a simple change to an international 763 change your mind?
I thought there was a confirmation at the YYZ Do that Elite would remain at 35K next year.
That is correct.
However, it doesn't mean that it still can't happen. It'll just make them look bad.
Domestic flyers like me,who accumulated at least 35K under the old 50% status mile regime, should have no problem passing the 50K mark.
It is mid August and I am already at 51K with five or six more trips scheduled.
If you intend to stop at 37k then think that for a wee little bit more you get two SSWU's at 45.
Interesting you would think this way. When I realized that I was certain to go over 35k this year, I suddenly found myself strategizing on how I can reach 45k again during the last couple of days of December. I did that last year and my 2 SSWUs for crossing 45 were valid for 2005. When combined with the 2 SSWUs from Package II, I had 4 SSWUs in my hand on April 1, just what I needed to upgrade my wife and me both ways YHZ-CDG on L fares.
This program does change our behaviour. ;)
the right thing to do would be to announce the threashold at the begining of the Q year, however this is AP, why should they care about customer service
I think they announced 2005 program year change with 25k Prestige threshold in mid-Jan 2005. I think some fliers, still thinking of the 18k threshold, got burned by the change. This is a clever move on AP part... in a sense that they locked those fliers for the rest of the year - good during a year that they start to sell income-trust.
Guess what will happen in 2006...?
You people would pay $700 one way to YVR? Thats insanity. Why not pay $270 one way and fly WS with leather seats, 35 inch seats and PTV?
You people would pay $700 one way to YVR? Thats insanity.
Actually, the companies or clients we work for are insane too. :)
Actually, the companies or clients we work for are insane too. :)
If you were working for me and you charged a $700 one way ticket to the company or myself you wouldn't be working there to long. If your employer tells you you may purchase J at whatever cost that is fine but just charging them so much to totally wrong.
It's 32 inches, not 35. For big corporations, the difference of 1000 dollars to fly a person YVR/YYZ isn't a big deal, and is spread over so many people that the cost to the individual is minimal. Even though it adds up, a happy worker, is a productive worker.
Once you've hit 35K and renewed EliteI still think that the Elite threshold (for "real" Elite, anyway) will be increased to 50K either before the end of the year, or retroactively in January. I simply don't believe any of the assurances to the contrary. It may not be their stated intention to do so at this point in time, but as the T&C state, they can change the rules at any time they feel like it.
Does it really seem probable that they'll let stand a scheme that requires 25K points to get to Prestige with minimal benefits, a paltry additional 10K to get to Elite with sigificantly more benefits, and a further 65K to get to SE?
It's nice to finally get a trip report on Harmony One.
I agree that Lisa King is a good purser. If you ever get Stephanie R. on your flight, the service will even be better! Stephanie flies a lot on the YVR-YYZ-YVR flights.
I'd like to try this in December, however they don't offer connections thru YUL do they? Plus it's a question of AC T+ vs. HMY J class, price difference is a couple hundread now.
There's no market for HMY in YUL or beyond YYZ, so as long as it sticks to a very defined business plan of key point-to-point routes, it won't over-extend itself and dilute the product. T+ is fine if you have SSWUs to burn, or know you're likely to get an opup. Otherwise, the real point is at the Latitude/L+ fare category that an extra few dollars will get you into a superior front cabin. And it is still half what AC charges for it J/C.
There is still the issue of lounges, but at least at YYZ a Priority Pass holder can get into the KLM Rembrandt Lounge with the help of an accommodating security guard. A long walk depending upon which gate at T3 HMY is using.
Why Fly, I think you've misread this ever so slightly. Taupo's fare was about $699 one-way, not return. That's still twice the Tango or Tango+ one-way fare, but about average for a one-way Latitude+.
I guess part of the hopefully will be that we will find out about the 2006 program sometime before the new year. It would be nice to find out about any program changes in say October of November.
I still think that the Elite threshold (for "real" Elite, anyway) will be increased to 50K either before the end of the year, or retroactively in January. I simply don't believe any of the assurances to the contrary. It may not be their stated intention to do so at this point in time, but as the T&C state, they can change the rules at any time they feel like it.
Does it really seem probable that they'll let stand a scheme that requires 25K points to get to Prestige with minimal benefits, a paltry additional 10K to get to Elite with sigificantly more benefits, and a further 65K to get to SE?
I have to agree with this. Maybe like last year. Elite lite and Elite, depending on if you hit 35K or 50K. Hey what can we call the level between Prestige and Super Prestige? Prestige Plus? :confused: :D
Here is a sample fare to Maui:
HQ872
999.00 CAD Web Fare (One-Way, Business - Rules)
Departs: Vancouver, YVR Jan 2, 2006 11:45
Arrives: Kahului, OGG Jan 2, 2006 16:00
Unless AC change their a/c on this route, which is highly unlikely, they have just lost my annual business on this route.
The arrival time is far better than AC's 10-11 pm.
The arrival time back in YVR is 1:15am, not the best, however I would rather leave OGG at 5:30pm instead of midnight, fly in a comfortable seat, get a good sleep in YVR at the Fairmont and continue home.
I think they saw the disaster it was last year, they would be stupid to think of pulling another stunt like that again. Not to mention the fact that they lied about the p lite packages being similar to whate all P's got the year before, complete BS
Never understimate AC/AE's arrogance.
Remember, people who complain are *bottom-feeders.*
(Sure, they managed to buy Parnel's ego to the dark side. So what?)
Interesting you would think this way. When I realized that I was certain to go over 35k this year, I suddenly found myself strategizing on how I can reach 45k again during the last couple of days of December. I did that last year and my 2 SSWUs for crossing 45 were valid for 2005. When combined with the 2 SSWUs from Package II, I had 4 SSWUs in my hand on April 1, just what I needed to upgrade my wife and me both ways YHZ-CDG on L fares.
This program does change our behaviour. ;)
Nah, you're just weird. :p
So for changeable business class and a meal! What is amazing to me is so few people were on your flight Taupo?
The fare is $700 each way for Business Class.
The product is new for HMY, they are not a big player, I think most people see them as a discount carrier, so it will take them a while to get the message out.
SL, the way I read this, is that AC/AP has a gun to your/our heads. They deceitfully changed the P threshold, their is chatter of them doing the same to E, so you and others are suggesting "play it safe" by earning 50,000 q miles. They were clear at the YVR Do that the E threshold would remain at 35,000, I am going to take them at their word for it. If they reneg on their word, it will be their loss, not mine. I am not going to spend extra time, hassle, discomfort, money, time away from my family, just to get to 50,000 Q miles as insurance of getting E. If I get 50,000 or more naturally, fine, but to go out of one's way because AC/AP may reneg, to hell with them. It sounds to me that AC/AP has gotten some people here over a barrel minus the lube. Not me.
I won't go out of my way to get to 50K. I'll be doing more than 50K, but instead of flying 15K with AA for transfer to HH, I'll just fly it with AC and put it into my AP account, and in the process get two SSWU, instead of 30 000 HH points (with the actual transfer ratio of 1AA:2HH). Since everybody value their points based on their personal preferences and patterns, I have no personal preferences between SSWU and HH points.
I'm not suggesting to anyone to go out of their way just to reach 50K in case of a policy change. I'm lucky enough to fly enough miles to get to E, either at 35K or 50K. My post was originally intended for those who might be tempted to stop flying AC at 35K and build status with another carrier or alliance
I liked everything I saw until the YVR-YYZ departure time. 6:30 a.m.? No thanks. Really a shame because I would have given them a shot this summer if the sked was a bit different.
I thought there was a confirmation at the YYZ Do that Elite would remain at 35K next year. The Prestige fiasco separated those who qualified under last year's 18K and those who did so at the new level, i.e. 25K+.
If you want to stop at 37K and find out in mid December that you're short by 13K, it's your business, and I respect that. It might have been confirmed at the YYZ Do, but I do see an increasing separation between AC and AP and communication between the two entities not being as good as it should be, therefore the amicable warning to play it safe rather than take the slightest chance of having to do a MR in mid Dec.
the right thing to do would be to announce the threashold at the begining of the Q year, however this is AP, why should they care about customer service
I'd like to try this in December, however they don't offer connections thru YUL do they? Plus it's a question of AC T+ vs. HMY J class, price difference is a couple hundread now.
No connections through YUL.
Why as a student would you spend all the extra money for a J ticket, when you can by a cheap Y on any airline for a whole lot less.
As I mentioned to Ken at the YVR dinner, releasing the shackles of a FFP is a wonderful feeling.
Then no more needs for FT?? :eek: :confused:
HarmonyOne Trip Report.
YVR-YYZ August 10, 2005
Approached Business Class counter at YVR, greeted with a smile by ckin agent asking for picture ID only. She confirmed the seat assignment I selected was what I wanted, handed me card asking me to write my name in the way I would like to be greeted on board and to select the type of amenity kit I would like. BP was handed to me in a very nice leather flight wallet that is a useful non-gimicky keepsake, in the wallet was a $15 gift certificate for Absolute Spa.
Business Class pax were invited to board at their leisure.
Settled myself into 5A, left rear of cabin, empty seat beside me, in fact only three pax in Business Class. Legroom is ample, while sitting up straight in seat, can just touch the bottom of the seat in front with my feet (I’m 6'4"). Seats are leather, good recline, footrest elevates to a comfortable level. Legroom, personal space and comfort are vastly superior to AC’s 319, 320, 321, 762s, space is not as great as the 333 or 763 intl, however the cabins and seats are much newer.
Cabin was spotless, no dirt in crevices, blankets are a quilt with no hair or residue stains, pillows are clean and a good size.
Seats 1DF and 2AC are bulkhead, 1AC do not exist. The legroom is very generous and not impeded at all by the bulkhead, 2AC have slightly more room than 1DF, however I would not let that stop me taking 1DF. 2A will have a difficult time see the overhead TV. 1DF have a small flat screen in front of them on the bulkhead. 1DF are directly across from one of the two J bathrooms. If one is not bothered by the bathroom, 1DF are the best seats given leg room and the TV screen directly in front.
Bathroom is no bigger than any other a/c bathroom I have been in, however one can do one’s business standing up straight without have to contort, the fuselage curvature does not cut in above the lavatory.
All pax had a bottle of water at their seat.
Two ceiling mounted TV monitors in J, FAs handed out personal DVD players and a wide selection of movies.
FAs offered drinks newspapers etc on boarding, nice touch being offered a pre flight drink, non alcoholic given the hour. FAs very courteous, friendly without being drippy.
Breakfast menu was presented offering a fruit salad for an appy, followed by a choice of Tamago Omellette with scallops, prawns or crepes with poached peaches. Meal was served on a tray lined with a pseudo leather mat, porcelain bowls and plates, stainless steel cutlery including knives. Fruit salad was very fresh, generous portion, garnished with mint and oregano.
Overall impression. Excellent value.
HMY is not going to appeal to those people who are completely hung up on a reward/loyalty program, however for the rest of us, they offer exceptional service and value. An AC YVR-YYZ Latitude fare is $600+-, Business Class on HMY is $700+-. I wanted to book and have confirmation of my travel arrangements in a timely manner, ie, not four days (Elite upgrade window) out. I did not want to juggle my flights to try and get a comfortable a/c knowing that their was a reasonable of the comfortable a/c being replaced. Sure I didn’t get FF points, I get more than enough of those from CCs and AC/*A flying.
Lisa King the in charge, led a happy vibrant professional cabin crew, in contrast to the surly pouty Jazz FA on my YLW-YVR flight last night.
Obviously no access to a MLL or equivalent, the only thing I really like the MLL for is the free internet access. HMY could come to arrangement with Telus, whereby Business Class pax are given a temporary access code, good for say two hours and can only be used once.
I still think that the Elite threshold (for "real" Elite, anyway) will be increased to 50K either before the end of the year, or retroactively in January. I simply don't believe any of the assurances to the contrary. It may not be their stated intention to do so at this point in time, but as the T&C state, they can change the rules at any time they feel like it.
Does it really seem probable that they'll let stand a scheme that requires 25K points to get to Prestige with minimal benefits, a paltry additional 10K to get to Elite with sigificantly more benefits, and a further 65K to get to SE?
Many would say that "probable" means nothing when it comes to AC. ;)
I don't believe AC will raise the minimums/maximums.Thats my gut feeling.
We'll compare notes later. :)
When the Elite requirements change I think I will have to weigh my options and end up with One World again. That will be sad but what more can I say.
You may just want to go up to 50K, just in case AP repeat the Prestige Lite fiasco of last year with this year Elites...I know that's what I do...
I thought there was a confirmation at the YYZ Do that Elite would remain at 35K next year. The Prestige fiasco separated those who qualified under last year's 18K and those who did so at the new level, i.e. 25K+.
Have some slick guy from AC piss in your corn flakes. Understand that comfort/pricevalue/schedule in whichever order, should be more important that a FFP program. Listen to the wise counsel from Ken Hamer. I know some here may question my use of the term wise, however, listen to him when you get a chance. I fice AC the first crack at any of my flights, however I will not pay more or suffer any discomfort if their is an alternative. If I do not make E this year, their are many alternatives for MLL access, who needs Exec class ckin when their are kiosks or you are flying on an exec class ticket. We now have an alternative for YVR-YYZ bus class flights. I can fly front cabin ex YVR on any airline.
As for the J addiction. Get over the ego part first, then the discomfort is easier. I have travelled back cabin on 6 segments in the last 2 years where I have had a choice between front or back, the longest segment was 3 hours. It was fine, none of those were on AC though, UA and Qantas. Both gave us emergency exits and blocked the middle seat.
Thanks, makes sense.
But no alcohol as part of the cure?????? :p
Once you've hit 35K and renewed Elite, and are unlikely to hit 100K for SE, there's no call on where to take your business. This is a true upper end niche market product. If there back cabin comes anywhere near the quality, for the same price why would anyone want to fly WestJet, let alone AC if they don't hold status.
I agree. This year it's worth me doing every flight I can with AC to make SE, but I really doubt I'll be travelling nearly as much next year. Very likely I will get Elite with my international flights, and fly HMY's business class for my YYZ-YVR flights.
Having now sampled the low end of the spectrum, if I have a trip to YVR before year's end, I will give HMY a try in their Business Class. Sounds most impressive, and having looked at the items brought by Taupo to the Do, a real class act. It is reminiscent of RootsAir's front cabin service which lasted all of a week or two before AC bought it out.
The amenity kit is among the best package I have seen even among First Class overseas services, a real leather container that resembles a telephoto lens holder. The leather ticket folio is another class item, with a discrete Harmony logo embossed into the leather, and having several useful pockets on the inside.
The menu blows away AC's current J offerings, and again is reminiscent of true First Class international meal service.
Anyone who can afford a Latitude fare on AC, or the higher end WestJet fares on the YVR-YYZ transcon, should opt for this service. Once you've hit 35K and renewed Elite, and are unlikely to hit 100K for SE, there's no call on where to take your business. This is a true upper end niche market product. If there back cabin comes anywhere near the quality, for the same price why would anyone want to fly WestJet, let alone AC if they don't hold status. The big drawback is the limited schedule.
Of course, flying with only 3 of perhaps a dozen J seats filled is not a surefire way to profits, but as long as the back cabin is full, HMY should be able to carry this off.
I took the amenity kit, menu, flight wallet and inflight mag to the Bull to show them off to all who were interested.
As FS mentioned, the fare difference between an AC Lat and HQ J is only $60, but you get confirmed seating on a guaranteed comfortable a/c, with superior service, all for only $60. A bargain ^
I'm pretty sure it was KH who proposed being your own FFP a year or 2 back and gave some great examples of how to go about it. @:-) I have to admit after years of only using AP point earning hotels,CC's,car rentals and on and on I've come to the conclusion that although I do appreciate the value of staying an E I will only put in the minimum to keep it now. After that I will go for what is best for me i.e. BA points,hotel points,no fee CC's and certainly no mileage runs. :)
(Yes, I do remember that long thread, but don't make any sense out of it) - don't you automatically qualify for 06/07 Elite if you cross 35k before mid-November? :)
As I mentioned to Ken at the YVR dinner, releasing the shackles of a FFP is a wonderful feeling.
Care to teach a 101 on this? :D
I need it.
Also, how to break free from one's addition to J.
You people would pay $700 one way to YVR? Thats insanity. Why not pay $270 one way and fly WS with leather seats, 35 inch seats and PTV?
When did the 35 inch pitch appear.........it certainly wasn't evident on my flight to YQT in April. The plane had PTV that did not function(well you could see an un-updated mapquest).
I was told 35K at the YVR DO, these people were told directly from execs at AC, if it turns out to be 50K, then I will consider this a straight out lie from the AC execs and they will have lost all trust as far as I'm concerned.
Care to teach a 101 on this? :D
I need it.
Also, how to break free from one's addition to J.
Have some slick guy from AC piss in your corn flakes. Understand that comfort/pricevalue/schedule in whichever order, should be more important that a FFP program. Listen to the wise counsel from Ken Hamer. I know some here may question my use of the term wise, however, listen to him when you get a chance. I give AC the first crack at any of my flights, however I will not pay more or suffer any discomfort if their is an alternative. If I do not make E this year, their are many alternatives for MLL access, who needs Exec class ckin when their are kiosks or you are flying on an exec class ticket. We now have an alternative for YVR-YYZ bus class flights. I can fly front cabin ex YVR on any airline.
As for the J addiction. Get over the ego part first, then the discomfort is easier. I have travelled back cabin on 6 segments in the last 2 years where I have had a choice between front or back, the longest segment was 3 hours. It was fine, none of those were on AC though, UA and Qantas. Both gave us emergency exits and blocked the middle seat.
I was going to try out this new product July 06, however I have now cancelled by July trip to TO, will have to wait 'till early Sept now, except....
Their one way fare YVR to YYZ has gone from $699 to $899. At $100 more than a LAT fare I would happily fly them over AC, a confirmed comfy seat with no a/c lottery. At $300 more I won't bother trying them.
I take all this as good news for both HY and AC, keeping prices closer to where they likely ought to be.
Has anyone here tried this new bizz class product?
I was told 35K at the YVR DO
That's funny, where were you sitting in the AC boardroom ;)
You are correct that they did comment that the 35k would remain in effect for this qualification year. I was there and can comment first hand.
I still think that the Elite threshold (for "real" Elite, anyway) will be increased to 50K either before the end of the year, or retroactively in January. I simply don't believe any of the assurances to the contrary. It may not be their stated intention to do so at this point in time, but as the T&C state, they can change the rules at any time they feel like it.
Does it really seem probable that they'll let stand a scheme that requires 25K points to get to Prestige with minimal benefits, a paltry additional 10K to get to Elite with sigificantly more benefits, and a further 65K to get to SE?
Well, we know from the Prestige fiasco one can never trust AE/AC on this matter, even if they come out and tell you something. Having been caught in that downdraft last year, it is still my intention to pass the 50K mark this year, which won't be difficult as I am awaiting my 45K threshold SSWUs. My reference was more generic in the sense that one has little to lose by sampling HMY if the schedule works and you're already shelling out a Latitude fare.
However, the Prestige thing was heavily predicated on the shift to AC to carrying more passengers between continents and using Canada as a connecting/transit point. The downside was that it suddenly opened many tens of thousands more to become Prestige elites on a single trip, and thus introduced added costs for preparing and sending kits out. I have no qualm with the increase to 25K, but do with the underhanded way AC/AE went about it, thus screwing some domestic fliers who played by the rules and were abused mightily by AC/AE.
But also, now that all fares but Tango [and those overseas N-fares?] earn 100% status miles, it obviates the need to keep the 35K threshold and brings AE into line with the American airline programs that have 50K as their midtier mark.
I still think that the Elite threshold (for "real" Elite, anyway) will be increased to 50K either before the end of the year, or retroactively in January. I simply don't believe any of the assurances to the contrary. It may not be their stated intention to do so at this point in time, but as the T&C state, they can change the rules at any time they feel like it.
Does it really seem probable that they'll let stand a scheme that requires 25K points to get to Prestige with minimal benefits, a paltry additional 10K to get to Elite with sigificantly more benefits, and a further 65K to get to SE?
I agree...however the change will be effective for Elite 2007 and hopefully announced with the 2006 program.
... the only thing I really like the MLL for is the free internet access. HMY could come to arrangement with Telus, whereby Business Class pax are given a temporary access code, good for say two hours and can only be used once.
Doesn't YVR have free wireless access throughout all terminals?
would a simple change to an international 763 change your mind?
That would earn my loyalty.
I am in the great position of easily getting Elite, but not getting Super Elite. AC loses my total loyalty after my re-qualifying for Elite. I will fly by comfort/sched/price, then FFP. Feeling free of the ties of a loyalty program is a wonderful thing.
That would earn my loyalty.
I am in the great position of easily getting Elite, but not getting Super Elite. AC loses my total loyalty after my re-qualifying for Elite. I will fly by comfort/sched/price, then FFP. Feeling free of the ties of a loyalty program is a wonderful thing.
You may just want to go up to 50K, just in case AP repeat the Prestige Lite fiasco of last year with this year Elites...I know that's what I do...
Thanks for the report. This most certainly sounds like a good option in the event that Aeroplan should make retrograde enhancements to its programme.
I have to agree with this. Maybe like last year. Elite lite and Elite, depending on if you hit 35K or 50K. Hey what can we call the level between Prestige and Super Prestige? Prestige Plus? :confused: :D
I think they saw the disaster it was last year, they would be stupid to think of pulling another stunt like that again. Not to mention the fact that they lied about the p lite packages being similar to whate all P's got the year before, complete BS
One thing to add is that AC's Latitude fare for YYZ-YVR runs at $614 + Nav Canada Surcharge of $23 = $637, whereas Harmony's YYZ-YVR Business Class' price is $699 and already includes the Nav Canada surcharge. In essence, the fare difference is only a small differential of $60. Also the HQ C fares are fully refundable and changable.
If you want to stop at 37K and find out in mid December that you're short by 13K, it's your business, and I respect that. It might have been confirmed at the YYZ Do, but I do see an increasing separation between AC and AP and communication between the two entities not being as good as it should be, therefore the amicable warning to play it safe rather than take the slightest chance of having to do a MR in mid Dec.
SL, the way I read this, is that AC/AP has a gun to your/our heads. They deceitfully changed the P threshold, their is chatter of them doing the same to E, so you and others are suggesting "play it safe" by earning 50,000 q miles. They were clear at the YVR Do that the E threshold would remain at 35,000, I am going to take them at their word for it. If they reneg on their word, it will be their loss, not mine. I am not going to spend extra time, hassle, discomfort, money, time away from my family, just to get to 50,000 Q miles as insurance of getting E. If I get 50,000 or more naturally, fine, but to go out of one's way because AC/AP may reneg, to hell with them. It sounds to me that AC/AP has gotten some people here over a barrel minus the lube. Not me.
I thought there was a confirmation at the YYZ Do that Elite would remain at 35K next year. The Prestige fiasco separated those who qualified under last year's 18K and those who did so at the new level, i.e. 25K+.
How right you are.
I believe it to be highly unlikely they repeat the Prestige fiasco with Elites.
However, if they were to repeat it, it reassures me that the Ken Hamer approach is the correct one. Fly whoever gets you there in the greatest comfort for the best value with the least amount of inconvenience, give AC the first shot, but will go elsewhere if need be. Please note this is not quoted verbatim, but the gist of the message I got from his posts. Makes perfect sense to me. As I mentioned to Ken at the YVR dinner, releasing the shackles of a FFP is a wonderful feeling.
Why Fly, I think you've misread this ever so slightly. Taupo's fare was about $699 one-way, not return. That's still twice the Tango or Tango+ one-way fare, but about average for a one-way Latitude+.
OOPS you are correct.... :cool:
Here is the Lattitude fare with AC.... you still have to play "aerolotto" and be a "status" member to upgrade... or at least have some certs.
Passenger Type Adult
Flight 1 - Departing airfare (Latitude) 614.00
Flight 2 - Returning airfare (Latitude) 614.00
Navcan and Surcharges 46.00
Taxes, Charges and Fees
Canada Airport Improvement Fee 30.00
Canada Security Charge 9.35
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) 91.93
Number of Passengers 1
Total 1405.28
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $ 1405.28
yes it sounds nice, maybe one day I will enjoy that freedom :)
If you intend to stop at 37k then think that for a wee little bit more you get two SSWU's at 45.
Great trip report ^
If you were working for me and you charged a $700 one way ticket to the company or myself you wouldn't be working there to long. If your employer tells you you may purchase J at whatever cost that is fine but just charging them so much to totally wrong.
That's nice, but I'm not working for you and working for another company.. and they have different rules than you :)
I'd like to try this in December, however they don't offer connections thru YUL do they? Plus it's a question of AC T+ vs. HMY J class, price difference is a couple hundread now.
It may not be their stated intention to do so at this point in time, but as the T&C state, they can change the rules at any time they feel like it.
Not that their T&Cs would stand in court. But as long as no one takes the fight, intimidation does work.
If AP didn't get the message from the P-lite fiasco, they'll definately get the message if they try and pull an E-lite thing, as I believe that Elites are a little more protective over their benefits.
Well here is the cheapest AC fare YYZ-YVR.... WOW Harmony is amazing!The Kit you showed us last night was the best I have every seen. THe Tango fare below is 1/2 points [are they status] no seat selection, and no meal. So for changeable business class and a meal! What is amazing to me is so few people were on your flight Taupo?
Passenger Type Adult
Flight 1 - Departing airfare (Tango) 219.00
Flight 2 - Returning airfare (Tango) 219.00
Navcan and Surcharges 46.00
Taxes, Charges and Fees
Canada Airport Improvement Fee 30.00
Canada Security Charge 9.35
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) 36.63
Number of Passengers 1
Total 559.98
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $ 559.98
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