As some of you may know, I don't invest in my youth squad. But now that 20K a week won't do much to me financially I'm reconsidering.
Has investing $22K/week in your YS been worth it? Not just financially (although breaking even or better is important) but figure in the fun/cool factor of pulling players as well. So are you happy with your investment? Or no?
yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes.
if i get 100k tomorrow for the 17 year old passable defender i pulled on sunday that'll pay for five weeks.
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nevermind some of the other 900k-1millk yps i've had.
Last season I pulled a 17yo solid GK. He's going to pay for my max investments and then some.
It's fun but I have lost well over a Million dollars on the squad.
Even though the poll results have come closer to evening out I changed my investment to $20K a week. Looks like a bit of a tossup on the money front and I just feel like I'm missing out on some of the fun. The thought of pulling a new alcoholic every week is too enticing. Also factoring in to my decision was a 17 yo triple solid (PM/pass/wing) YP I saw going for over $2.5M with hours to go on the TL earlier today. I want one of those. :D
1) It really adds to the fun factor of the game, especially the week 0 and week 1 pulls! Also MM money.
2) One oe two good pulls a season pays for it. Last season I had 5 good pulls which sold for 75k or more.
3) Helps you with trainees. I pulled MCghee last season as a Solid/Solid PM and Winger trained him 50% for 3 weeks and he popped to excellent. Then under encouragement from Kerrmy I trained him full the next 8 weeks and when he popped to Formid PM I sold him for 1 million. I get a pull like that on average once a season ( now that my squad is at excellent) If you factor in that a trainnee like that would have cost 200k or so It is worth it. Not to mention the MM money I will get down the road.
Even though the poll results have come closer to evening out I changed my investment to $20K a week. Looks like a bit of a tossup on the money front and I just feel like I'm missing out on some of the fun. The thought of pulling a new alcoholic every week is too enticing. Also factoring in to my decision was a 17 yo triple solid (PM/pass/wing) YP I saw going for over $2.5M with hours to go on the TL earlier today. I want one of those. :D
The problem is that most of your youth pulls will be alcoholics. But as long as you understand that, jump on in to the fast and exciting world of youth pulling!
Well I was bored so I went through my "players raised in this team" list and calculated how much I have made from my youth squad. Numbers in parenthesis are how much they were sold for after they left my team (I only added youth pulls, I didn't count the players I sold who were on my team from the beginning):
77,000
59,000
88,000 (165,000)
1,000
17,000
94,000
74,000 (51,000)
8,000 (89,000)
130,000
62,000 (168,000 ... 2,141,000)
114,00
5,000
5,000 (60,000)
2,000
51,000
6,000 (53,000 ... 114,000 ... 136,000 ... 338,000 ... 2,000,000 ... 1,676,000 ... 1,518,000)
1,000
21,000
11,000 (30,000)
33,000 (120,000)
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Just the original sales has amounted to $859,000
When factoring the 2% for "mother club money" I came up with this:
3,300
1,020
1,780
3,360
42,820
1,200
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1,060
2,280
2,720
6,760
40,000
33,520
30,360
600
2,400
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$1,032,180
At the moment my current youth pull has a bid of $200,000 (deadline is tomorrow at noon). If no one else bids on him that puts the running total at
$1,232,180
Now the trouble is I have no idea how much I have put into my youth squad. For the first several seasons I only put $5,000 per week and made very few pulls until it got to the max from $5,000 (I think inadequate?) then I switched to $10,000 per week but again didn't make many youth pulls. Finally I put $20,000 and have been pulling youth players every week (so $22,000) but I have no idea when I switched at each point, so I can't go back and recalculate how much I actually put in. :(
However, I did calculate that I would have spent $2.9 million if I had put $20,000 in from Day 1, so with all those seasons I spent putting in $0, $5k, and $10k without making many pulls I'm almost sure I've spent less than a million on my youth squad, and thus I've made a profit. Or so I'd like to think. :D
I haven't been investing or pulling. It would probably help my team quite a bit down the road, but right now it doesn't make any sense. My income is often below 70k per week on home game weeks, and I can buy a better trainee for what one week's investment +pull costs. I'll start selling some of my current trainees after another pop or two, and maybe then I'll start investing.
My understanding is that since they made the stadiums more expensive to improve and gave you fewer supporters to start, that money is generally too tight to even consider it until you bank your first set of trainees. And even then, there are probably more profitable ways to spend your money. Like better trainees. Newbie trainees are the suck.
When I started, I was giving 10k to my YS and got it to passable. Kept that amount for my first 2 seasons. Pulled mainly keepers those first 2 seasons because of the odds. Only pulling to one skill made it a little more probably a sellable player came out.
However, I did give into the temptation of the early season pulls and tried outfield players, but missed badly.
Food for thought?
If you have the cash to invest and ride out slumps, the youth squad is clearly on average a slight to decent money maker.
Unfortunately for us newbies it's an unaffordable luxury.
*twiddles thumbs*
*still pays for his weekly $2000 scratch ticket*
actually, it'd be 3K, because it's 2K to pull and 1K to list.Alright, I forgot about it because usually, my pulls are so bad that I fire them right away (which is free) ;) Also, the agent fees should be taken into account for the sales.
1) It really adds to the fun factor of the game, especially the week 0 and week 1 pulls! Also MM money.
I agree with this, though I'm sure I've only lost money.
I think it's worth it, I've been tracking my youth system since Oct, and counting the sell of my former youth pull that I trained to mythical, I am over 3 mil in the black, even without that sell I've still made over 100K on my youth system.
Did you count the extra 2k for the pull each week?
actually, it'd be 3K, because it's 2K to pull and 1K to list.
I also didn't invest in my youth squad for the first two seasons since my trainees were produced through the transfer list. Last season however, I finally started to generate enough money so that $20K would not hurt as much. As my system is at solid right now, I've managed to pull a few sellable keepers but more importantly, the game is much more fun every Saturday night.
However, I did calculate that I would have spent $2.9 million if I had put $20,000 in from Day 1, so with all those seasons I spent putting in $0, $5k, and $10k without making many pulls I'm almost sure I've spent less than a million on my youth squad, and thus I've made a profit. Or so I'd like to think. :DDid you count the extra 2k for the pull each week?
Unfortunately for us newbies it's an unaffordable luxury.
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I think it is important for newbies. Just invest what you can afford. I remember getting pulls that would sell for 50k when I was investing 10k a week. Or just getting a pull I could train. A pull you sell for 1k could get you 100k In MCM down the road.
My understanding is that since they made the stadiums more expensive to improve and gave you fewer supporters to start, that money is generally too tight to even consider it until you bank your first set of trainees. And even then, there are probably more profitable ways to spend your money. Like better trainees. Newbie trainees are the suck.
I am coming at this from a different angle. I can say right off the bat that my YS has been a blackhole for finances on my team in 4+ seasons. Definitely in the red and afraid to know what the actual figure would be. :eek:
I have seen it suggested numerous times that a Solid YS will produce better players than an Excellent YS, I have dropped my investment from max to 10K to start this season to see if I can see this affect.
My YS dropped to Solid on Sat and Sunday I pulled an 18yo Inad/Pass WB. Not amazng, but definitely better than the crap I had been pulling towards the end of last season with an Excellent YS.
The plan is to up the investment about halfway through this season to steady the level at Solid for a season and then repeat. I will try to keep all updated on the progress through this season.
BTW roma, can't argue either way with what you decide as I can definitely see an upside to not wasting 360K+ a season on YS, but I enjoy the lottery type pulls each Sat evening.
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